Maybe ignorance really is bliss....?

Its all psychology, all the time, and just when you think that maybe we are sorta all getting to be grownups, the ugly head of whatever the fuck is wrong with people raises to spit in your eye.
Ego and belief and fear are so complicated and after agonizing over just so many theories and reasons, I guess that its best to give up and try the old time religion approach of heaven and hell, good and bad. But its not that easy...and the depths of insanity that we're seeing in our government, that alot of us see also in our families and communities, is becoming mind boggling. I guess it was easier to handle the personal stuff when the rest of the world wasnt spinning out of control.
So, I began exhausted as I've been, with a kid in the hospital and the dogs fighting, (a mistake by the puppy tore my palm this morning,) and for no real reason at all I stayed up late to watch Woody Allen's Match Point (I have to cancel Netflix because I find myself watching things that I never would have for no reason at all when I could be reading or sleeping.)
I have to say that it is one of Woody's best films in a long time and London served him well. But, the plot was scary in that it was a picture of what people resort to rather than face up and be brave about mistakes. In some cases, being responsible for your actions is worse than death or someone else's death And the thing that this guy couldnt do was to tell the truth to his wife, which, even if painful, should be something doable, as opposed to murder. It was preferable to kill numerous others, and innocent bystanders than to look at himself and take resonsibility for what he had created. So, a web of lies, death, and luck....but the true issue is weakness of character and lack of real direction and ethics. This guy wasnt just a sociopath in the regular murder movie sort of way; he was a regular greedy guy sinking deeper into his own mess.
Sound familiar?
I would say that maybe its true that the breakdown of religion in society and the nuclear family has led to this morass , but it seems that the big problems that we are seeing all around us are coming directly from some of the most devout family guys and gals in the country...or they play that on the news anyway. Its the Jerry Springer TV crowd from the heartland trailer parks who tend to vote Republican and maybe even repents every Sunday, that votes for the conservative agenda because it represents what they would like to imagine they are, or could be...They are the willing audience for all the mistakes and corruption that is handedout, and able to forgive because they are sinners themselves. But there is a line being crossed in the law and maybe in basic hiumanity, and the Sunday repentants seem to be so able to forgive one thing and not another, so what draws that line and why does it move aorund so much?
I think it comes down to education, because you can sit kids in church and bang the good vs. bad stuff into their heads forever but its not going to stick if it isnt attached to what is going on in the real world as opposed to ancient scrolls of papyrus as told by the local preacher (...who is likely a pedophile anyway.)
I would propose ethics and philosophy classes in all public schools beginning at a very early age, and having to do with real situations.
Not so much a good or bad sort of ciriculum, but a problem solving forum where kids exercise their minds. Most of us dont get this till college, and then only if we want it, otherwise we can coast through Philosophy 101 with whatever grade and move on to whatever is the training for the highest paying job.
So why not mandatory problem solving and ethics in middle school and high school? While we're at it, why not mandatory comparative religion classes that study all religions in depth so that kids can maybe understand that there isnt such a divide in these things and everyone is basically the same?
Maybe it is a liberal philiosphy to push public education above all else, and maybe it doesnt really pay in a society as complicated and as ours has become, but it seems to me that ever since the gutting of private education began, (am I thinking of the Reagan era, or earlier?) we have seen a slow slide downhill....and really, what is more important, in light of what is happening with an uneducated and uninformed population? Maybe leaders of a sort feel that it is easier to govern an uneducated populace, but I think thats wrongheaded and lazy.
So, along these lines, Ive been thinking of the Salon piece by Tim grieve today that takes issue with Bill and Hillary and their take(s) on the war vs. voting records and what the hell is really going on what is the heart and power of the Democratic party(?) Many of you know that I dont love Hillary for President, and really think that she needs to stay where she is, opening the door for Gore to run. I dont understand the Democratic voting that has been going on lately, considering that Bushco is sliding in popularity, we maybe looking at a knee jerk turnaround in the House and Senate, and there seems to be less pressure on the Dems in general. But still, they are in lockstep, save the expected few who maybe have an eye on more than the power structure around them and less on their jobs, which may be in danger come 2008, 2010, and 2012. Maybe it doesn't matter to the individuals who are voting with the Republicans, and maybe we are seeing their true colors.
I was under the impression that the Democrats that voted "for the war" were actually voting on a process that would have to be approved IF weapons were found etc.... Why is no one pointing out, screaming at the top of their lungs, that Bushco steamrolled the process and illegally went to war without even formally declaring war? Why didnt Kerry scream that...and any number of things that he viewed as unseemly to talk about in public...? We need soemone who is beyond unseemly talk and worry about what everyone thinks about them. We need someone who is going to tell it like it is and was...dare I say a Howard Dean type (and I voted for Dean in the Primary...yes I did!...though Im not sure of his foreign diplomatic skills, Im just so tired of liars.)
Well, its all psychology, and maybe its easier to look at what we have now rather than learn by our past failures....let the past be the past and all that crap... Then why do they continue to vote this way going forward?
Those who embrace Buddhism cant turn around and yell at you all the usual stuff on the weekends...there has to be some sort of actual going forward happening to make it real.
I realize that I have more questions than answers here and it brings me back to the education issue, where if you view history and see the pattern of things going round, how can you continue to do the same thing hoping for a different outcome? Isnt that the definition of insanity?
So, Bill Clinton had a contentous go round with Saperstein, who couldnt really be more educated or just plain smarter than Bill. But somehow Saperstein has what maybe we call the emotional intelligence (on top of obvious education and an understanding of history,) to sort out the feelings repurcussions around unwinnable wars and history...and even maybe a dig here and there into what drives Hillary Clinton to slide to center right just when she maybe could make some bold statements that just might be well received and change the way the country is being run.
Its not because Bill and Hillary arent smart enough to know this stuff, its because they dont know why they do what they do...and often find themselves doing things just because they can....Think of Bill and Monica....Or they are just more power hungry cogs in the machinery who maybe once had vision but now have been swept up in their own press.
What is going on here?
Saperstein sent the following letter to former president Clinton on May 24:
Dear President Clinton:
Thank you for the apology you transmitted to me last Saturday. It was quite gracious, but it wasn't necessary. We're all adults here, Iraq is a contentious issue and it is no surprise that elbows occasionally will be thrown. I wanted to respond substantively to your comments, but others wanted to ask questions too, so I chose not to monopolize the audience microphone.
The question I raised last Saturday remains: Is it credible for you, or anyone, to suggest that the problems of a war in Iraq, and/or discerning President Bush's true intentions in seeking the Iraq resolution, were not knowable in October 2002? I respectfully submit that the answers to both questions were knowable and the explanations you offered simply don't work.
Separate and apart from any claims made by Bush or Cheney, there existed a large amount of scholarship about the history of Iraq. One prominent book is David Fromkin's "A Peace to End All Peace," a study of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the creation of the modern Iraq. Leaving aside the base motivations of Britain, Germany, France, etc. surrounding Iraq's oil, it is clear that the history of racial, ethic and religious conflict among the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds goes back at least hundreds of years. Indeed, you can pick nearly any page of Fromkin's book and it reads like yesterday's New York Times. The problems the British had in Iraq were essentially no different than the problems the U.S. is having today and this was totally predictable before the Iraq resolution and invasion. Anyone who thought then that an invasion would not stir those historic conflicts, or thinks now that the U.S. can outwait or outlast these conflicts by continuing to occupy Iraq, is living in Fantasyland.
Even key Republicans understood, and spoke publicly about, the dangers of invading Iraq. Former President George H. W. Bush wrote in 1998:
While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of Iraq. We were concerned about the long term balance of power at the head of the Gulf....We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well....Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land.
On August 15, 2002, Brent Scowcroft wrote the following in the Wall Street Journal:
[T]here is scant evidence to tie Saddam to terrorist organizations, and even less to the Sept. 11 attacks. Indeed, Saddam's goals have little in common with the terrorists who threaten us and there is little incentive for him to make common cause with them. He is unlikely to risk his investment in weapons of mass destruction, much less his country, by handing such weapons to terrorists who would use them for their own purposes and leave Baghdad as the return address. Threatening to use these weapons for blackmail---much less their actual use---would open him and his entire regime to a devastating response by the U.S. While Saddam is thoroughly evil, he is above all a power-hungry survivor.[T]he central point is that any campaign against Iraq, whatever the strategy, cost and risks, is certain to divert us for some indefinite period from our war on terrorism. Worse, there is a virtual consensus in the world against an attack on Iraq at this time. So long as that sentiment persists, it would require the U.S. to pursue a virtual go-it-alone strategy against Iraq, making any military operations correspondingly more difficult and expensive. Ignoring that clear sentiment would result in a serious degradation in international cooperation with us against terrorism.
Republicans, of course, were not the only ones to perceive the folly of invading Iraq. In a series of eloquent speeches, Senator Robert Byrd detailed the "disastrous consequences" of invading Iraq, which included violation of international law and the U.N. Charter, weakening alliances with European allies, fomenting Anti-Americanism around the world based on "mistrust, misinformation, suspicion and alarming rhetoric that is fracturing the once solid alliance against global terrorism which existed after September 11," ignoring homeland security, disrupting the world's oil supplies and elevating fuel prices, inflaming the Arab world and bankrupting the U.S.
Due to reasons such as these, 148 Democrats in Congress (125 in the House and 23 in the Senate) saw through the smoke and mirrors, accurately perceived that Bush/Cheney would use the Iraq resolution to invade, and voted against it. It was ironic that on Saturday you quoted the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution to support your argument that mistakes get made in these types of situations because a large number of Democrats voting against the Iraq resolution cited the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution to support their skepticism of Bush's claims. Obviously, some Senators had learned the lesson of the Gulf of Tonkin better than others.
Did Bush and Cheney lie and mislead? Did they misinform the Congress and the public? Did Bush claim the resolution would not necessarily lead to war? Of course, but by October 2002 there were abundant reasons not to believe what they said about their intentions---or anything else---and 148 Congressional Democrats were not misled. You know more about leadership than I do, but isn't part of leadership making the right decision under pressure with incomplete information---even when public opinion might be running the other way? And while you twice quoted Bush saying that he would not use the resolution to go to war, when he did use it for that purpose I don't recall Hillary raising her voice in opposition.
I am not suggesting we should judge anyone solely on one vote, but this was the single most important vote anyone currently in Congress ever made and we all will be paying for it for many years, maybe our entire lifetimes. The war has diverted America's attention from the real war---the fight on terrorism. Who knows what this diversion of our attention and resources ultimately will cost us? It has cost us alliances and caused America's standing in the world to plummet. It has weakened America's ability to respond to real national security threats, such as Iran and North Korea---the U.S. and Britain have become, in the words of The Economist, "The Axis of Feeble." It has depleted our financial resources and made it difficult, if not impossible, in the foreseeable future to address any of America's serious infrastructure needs---even if Democrats take control of Congress in 2006 and/or the Presidency in 2008. In short, the war has been catastrophic on many fronts. Are voters supposed to forget how we got into this mess, its long-term costs, or not measure leadership by who got it wrong?
You suggested we look forward, not back, and said the question we had to address was, "What should we do now?" First, let me acknowledge that you and I are not far off in the answer to that question. I have thought from the beginning that once Saddam was removed, there were only two possibilities: A Shiite government closely aligned with Iran that would dominate the Kurds and Sunnis, most likely aggressively; or a tri-partite separation into Shiite, Kurdish and Sunni regions (which Joe Biden now supports and you seem to endorse). Regardless of which direction events are headed, what is important to understand is that the U.S. long ago lost control of the situation. The question no longer is building democracy, or anything else; it is how many more thousands of American soldiers will be killed and maimed and how many more trillions of dollars will be flushed down the toilet before we achieve sanity and get out. Seventy-one percent of the American soldiers in Iraq say that should be within 6 to 12 months, which sounds right to me. Jack Murtha is telling the truth to the American people; it would be helpful if other Democrats joined him.
At risk of invoking humor into a serious topic, the difference you and I have might best be summed up in a cartoon in this week's The New Yorker (May 22) on page 61, where the caption is, "But what you call a track record I call ancient history." I suggest that neither the beginning of the Iraq adventure nor the current quagmire should be treated as ancient history and neither are removed from consideration of what constitutes leadership.
Best Regards,
Guy T. Saperstein
Cc: Democracy Alliance Partners
And here is Dowd...along the same lines for you die hards:
Don't Become Them
When I started in newspapers, I shied away from police brutality stories, letting other reporters cover them.
I knew there were cops who had no right to be cops. But I also knew, because my dad was a detective, the sort of blistering pressure men and women in uniform were under as they made snap life-and-death decisions. I'd cringed at the 60's refrain that the military and the police were "pigs."
After my dad killed a robber in self-defense — the man had tried to shoot him point-blank in the face, but that chamber of the gun was empty — he told a police psychologist that he could not swallow or eat because he felt as though he had fish bones in his throat.
So I felt sickened to hear about the marines who allegedly snapped in Haditha, Iraq, and wantonly killed two dozen civilians — including two families full of women and children, among them a 3-year-old girl. Nine-year-old Eman Waleed told Time that she'd watched the marines go in to execute her father as he read the Koran, and then shoot her grandfather and grandmother, still in their nightclothes. Other members of her family, including her mother, were shot dead; she said that she and her younger brother had been wounded but survived because they were shielded by adults who died.
It's a My Lai acid flashback. The force that sacked Saddam to stop him from killing innocents is now accused of killing innocents. Under pressure from the president to restore law, but making little progress, marines from Camp Pendleton, many deployed in Iraq for the third time, reportedly resorted to lawlessness themselves.
The investigation indicates that members of the Third Battalion, First Marines, lost it after one of their men was killed by a roadside bomb, going on a vengeful killing spree over about five hours, shooting five men who had been riding in a taxi and mowing down the residents of two nearby houses.
They blew off the Geneva Conventions, following the lead of the president's lawyer.
It was inevitable. Marines are trained to take the hill and destroy the enemy. It is not their forte to be policemen while battling a ghostly foe, suicide bombers, ever more ingenious explosive devices, insurgents embedded among civilians, and rifle blasts fired from behind closed doors and minarets. They don't know who the enemy is. Is it a pregnant woman? A child? An Iraqi policeman? They don't know how to win, or what a win would entail.
Gen. Michael Hagee, the Marine Corps commandant, who has flown to Iraq to talk to his troops about "core values" in the wake of Haditha and a second incident being investigated, noted that the effect of this combat "can be numbing."
A new A&E documentary chronicles the searing story of the marines of Lima Company, 184 Ohio reservists who won 59 Purple Hearts, 23 posthumously. Sgt. Guy Zierk recounts kicking in a door after an insurgent attack. Enraged over the death of his pals, he says he nearly killed two women and a 16-year-old boy. "I am so close, so close to shooting, but I don't." he says. "It would make me no better than the people we're trying to fight."
Retired Maj. Gen. John Batiste, one of those who called for Donald Rumsfeld's resignation, told Chris Matthews that blame for Haditha and Abu Ghraib lay with "the incredible strain bad decisions and bad judgment is putting on our incredible military."
While it was nice to hear President Bush admit he had made mistakes, he was talking mostly about mistakes of tone. Saying he wanted Osama bin Laden "dead or alive" would have been O.K. if he had acted on it, rather than letting Osama go at Tora Bora and diverting the Army to Iraq.
At his news conference with a tired-looking Tony Blair, Mr. Bush seemed chastened by Iraq, at least. But he continued to have the same hallucination about how to get out: turning things over to the Iraqi security forces after achieving total victory over insurgents and terrorists.
Stories in The Times this week show that Iraqi security forces are so infiltrated by Shiite militias, Sunni militias, death squads and officers with ties to insurgents that the idea of entrusting anything to them is ludicrous.
By ignoring predictions of an insurgency and refusing to do homework before charging into Iraq on trumped-up pretenses, W. left our troops undermanned, inadequately armored and psychologically unprepared.
It was maddening to see the prime minister of Britain — of all places — express surprise at the difficulty of imposing a democracy on a country that has had a complex and ferocious tribal culture since the Gardens of Babylon were still hanging.












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